Their is no such thing as non-consensual pvp, you make it consensual when you login.

Eve is about consequences. If you get into a brawl in a bar downtown, you probably get picked up by the police and sent to jail. Firing without permission from Concord has roughly the same consequences. You expose yourself to the possibility of someone throwing that illegal punch when you undock.

Would be interesting if the police got to blow up your car for getting into a fight, though.

Want some - one on one?

Just find somewhere quiet and get to it.

No need for a new mechanic to facilitate it.

All PvP is consensual, unless someone forces you to login in.

You are very confused and fail to understand the nature of the game. You login, you accept the EvE sandbox.

It's like people complaning when they lose at the money in Monopoly.

You you even understand what a sandbox mmo-rpg is?

Way to ignore everyone saying it's a pointless mechanic in a game where what the whiners are asking for ALREADY FREAKING EXISTS... Good job.

Oh, and reading comprehension ftw.

Move lowsec, warp planet 6 and fight like a boss.

Because can-flipping is two people operating within the laws of the EVE universe, circumventing CONCORD rules to go a round or two without the cops crashing their party. It doesn't stop someone else from crashing their party, just provides the party in a way that fits the universe as it exists.

Adding a duel button will only accomplish one thing: You won't be able to fly through any populated system without getting spammed with 347 duel request windows. I'd rather fly past humorously-named yellow containers, or get jumped by someone willing to be a pirate (and accept those consequences) than be bothered with even a single duel request window.

Or the safety; it merely removes the risk that is the hallmark of Eve Online. Curious that, no?

I don't want to play WoW in Space. I don't want to play Aeon in Space. You guys want that pussification in the way you play, leave. I'll happily hold the door for you (and no, I don't want your tainted stuffs).

I understand your point, but the thing is - people have a very good reason to cry WoW when nearly anything in WoW is ever brought up as a potential change to EVE. It's because WoW is so monumentally bad in every way, that it's quite frightening for anyone who's been though it to feel like the same thing might happen to EVE - a game that is possibly the last bastion of hope in the MMO universe.

Apologies if this post sounds sarcastic, it's really not. WoW really is that bad, EVE really is (by comparison) not, and I know I'd be pretty upset if that ceased to be the case.

Those stipulations sound great, but they still need an "invitation" of sorts to get the ball rolling. Also, if it needs all those stipulations to begin to fit properly, then how's it differ from simply going safeties-off and engaging your target? No instances, no prevention of loss, no buffering from interference, freely attackable for a period of time, and no guarantees of honor from the other party.

It's coding time spent on providing something we can already do, and the new coding doesn't prevent someone from *cheating*, so what's the point? It has to be just the beginning of something new, like removing any other kind of combat from hi sec. Only then would we need the dueling mechanism. Right now it's redundant, and they wouldn't have spent manhours on redundant, would they?

Player A ejects a can. Player B takes from that can to go suspect. Player B then docks/cloaks/whatever to hide from any third parties attempting to shoot them. Wait 14 minutes.

With 1 minute left on the suspect timer, Player A shoots Player B. 5 minute LE begins and the suspect timer is waited out. Now you've got 4 minutes to reship, repair, whatever before you start shooting each other with much honor.

Yes, it's a tedious and stupid way to do it. Which is why I think duels are a good thing.

Because it goes against one of the fundamental principles of Eve - that once you undock, you can be attacked any where, any time, any place.

To change this, is to undermine the very basis of Eve.

I don't see why these things couldn't be set up within the current systems, with simple war decs between corporations, similar to say red vs blue but with members of each side organising smaller more specific fights/events amongst themselves - for example a handful of pilots on Side A could get together and offer something to side B, like "hey next monday night we'd like a five a side fight, t1 cruisers only :)" to get something started with whatever rules they like. If the other side decided to cheat then... well, that's EVE. Either your side could start cheating too, or you could have leadership of both sides help enforce people adhering to the agreed "rules"

All kinds of PvP are consentual. You consent to PvP when you log in.

If I had to give an opinion, I'd say that it is more to do with the notion of a player going around sending invites to PvP than anything else. If you think about it, in the context of EVE, that is rather absurd.

Exactly do not fly what you cannot afford to Lose, High Sec included. I think a change to the duel system would be welcomed.

CCP Please flag both parties as outlaws for fighting in concorde controlled space, concorde should not allow school boy squabbles to go unpunished.

Eve is a cold dark place where you are never truly safe. CCP designed it this way, they wanted a safer area for people to train in but allowed enough mechanics for violence to occur wherever you are.

Thats why there is a time delay for Concorde punishment that increases as the security of a system decreases.

If CCP wanted people to be completely safe in certain areas they would of implemented the same anti-PvP method employed by most other MMO's that want safe PvE areas, and that is nobody can attack you unless you specifically flag yourself as open to PvP.

This is not the case in eve and is not the intention. For instance someone could attack you in high sec for annoying them on the forums whilst no PvP or duel flags are in place, Concorde would destroy them but if they can kill you first they are quite welcome to do so and apart for the Concorde action nothing further would happen. However CCP may frown upon someone who repeatedly attacked you in this manner at every opportunity but that would be verging on harassment.

Isn't so.
High-sec do not prevent anyone to attack. Concord mechanics simply sanction "illegal" aggression, do not prevent it.
Open PvP in EVE is enabled everywhere in the same identical way. What can change are the possible effects/ consequences of it (security status, cocncord intervention and so on).

The only mechanics preventing direct PvP engagment is, indeed, docking. This is where the say "when you undock you consent" come from.

They are not consenting tothe engagement directly, rather consenting to the possibility. I hole this has helped you understand EVE better. :)

No, actually there are tons of reasons, see the last 10 pages.

That's not avoiding "pvp" that's managing to survive a pvp engagment.

If your transport is catched on a gate and you outmanouver your aggressor you're engaged in PvP (like or dislike it), and if you manage to get out you win it.

The "you give your consent to pvp undocking" is only a way to say that is impliit in the game mechanics, there's no /pvp on /pvp off switch.
Damn, is like playing tetris and then compalining cause you never gave your consent for those blocks to fall down.